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Old 05-14-2008, 10:02 AM
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walahi intrestin question me and my sister had a long debate over it b4
we ended up on square one agen
so we stilld nt knw wts wat
well im guesin u knw wt u beleive in is true because yu beleive in holy scriptures nd prophets and the rest is called faith
if tehre is somethin in ur heart that beleives that there is a lord nd creator nd that islam has atleast most of the asnwers 2 ur question
then the rest shud cum
i think allah has written our books but unlike the angels we have choices for example for us its this or that
without free will itd be THIS
and no THAT
get where im cumin 4rm?
salaam
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:38 AM
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You can see it like this. Your life is one big movie. But who is the scriptwriter of that movie? That's you. You decide what happens. You have choices that you can make in your movie(life). Ofcourse everyone knows that things don't always happen the way you wanted it to happen. Everything can change in a blink of one eye.

But still it's you who writes down the headlines. You take all the decisions and you're responsible for your own actions/decisions. We are all experts these days in having excuses for things we don't want to do, or making decisions even though we know Allah is not pleased with it. I think that's in the humans nature, thinking about themself and then thinking about their creator? Following their own desires. How foolish is that? How many times were you in a situation and you said things you never wanted to say or have done things you never wanted to do? Many times húh..?!

What if you would be able to rewrite all the stupid things you've done in your life? What if you could take all the bad words back?
Wouldn't that be fantastic? It's still your own movie and you're still the writer. Just imagine if you could take everything back with pure sincerity in your heart. Would you rewrite everything if you had a chance?
Ofcourse you would do that, I would do that.. We all would have done that. What have we got to loose?

Well here's the big secret how you can achieve that.
You can rewrite all the things you regret in your life with some easy steps.

Step 1: Ask Allah for forgiveness with pure sincerity and seriousness in your heart.
Step 2: Sit down en rewrite the situation or conversation literally. Write down how you would wanted it to happen.
Step 3: Apologize to the person(s) that you've hurted.
Step 4: Know why this thing happened, analyze the situation individually and think of how you will react in similar situations in the future.
Step 5: Aks Allah for guidance in your future decisions.

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Old 05-14-2008, 06:22 PM
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cat lol maragtaa..u started this.

askari...lol..i don't blame them..

yungn...dhimo i don't see da need for any apology on my behalf.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:31 PM
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OK from now On I'll b on ur side. there u've won me over
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:57 PM
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The author is Allah, the character you are playing is you who happen to have free will. This gives you the right to change few chapters in the book; but its up to you if its good or bad. But everything els i planned out for you.
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:55 PM
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Have you ever thought about your life ? Sometimes i think i might be a character in a book ? So then that means everything i do will have already been planned out by the author ? So do i have the freedom to change the part i play in the story or do i have to resign myself to my fate ? If i believe in fate and not free will then by deciding that doesn't it means that i have the freedom to choose what i believe ? But then how can i be so sure that fate doesn't exist ? How do i know that what i believe in is the truth ? How do i know that it is just not an illusion ?

WHERE THE FVCK IS THE AUTHOR ?
No offense but these kind of questions are usually asked by Athiests or ppl of confusion. If your muslim everything is clear in the Quran and the sunnah of the Prophet(saw). But then again there could be ppl that aren't muslim here and searching for the truth in that case we have an obligation to debate and reason with them intellectually.
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:11 PM
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since u don't know ur own fate..who's to say u haven't changed it?

fate and free will co-exist!

u are da author of ur own book...u just dont know it yet
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The author is Allah, the character you are playing is you who happen to have free will. This gives you the right to change few chapters in the book; but its up to you if its good or bad. But everything els i planned out for you.
2 good replies in this thread from showstopper and skruf.

What i think is that we have a kind of sense of freedom because we experience things and choose whatever choices based on our own perceptions and capabilities. There certainly can be things beyond our perception and capabilities, but since we don't directly perceive them we don't have any sense of loss (of freedom). It's like the ants and their two spatial dimensions.

I can see the limits of free will in our basic instincts, in our biological configuration. But if free will is just an illusion that means that we're free only in our imagination, meaning that we perceive that we're free, but we aren't in the absolute sense. Kinda like the ants. But nevertheless we have at least the subjective conviction that we choose, and that's enough, because if our free will is subjective, everything that we perceive is subjective, including of course the thought that free will is an illusion.

Anyway, fatalism works perfect to explain everything until the present moment. There's no way things could've been different. You know you can't change what you've done and what has happened in the world until a moment ago, and you can't empirically prove it could've been different. Mainly because it wasn't. It's just the present, where freedom fits in this scheme that includes us and the surrounding reality. The present is what you are. In fact, past and future don't exist. Present is the eternity somehow lol


Ok, now down to earth again, i'd like to ask you guys a question

Imagine you were taking part in a big raffle ticket event and there was big prize like a 50 inch tv screen/new car etc. Ok, but you think it is a load of crap and throw your ticket away. At the end of the day, just curious, you look at the results and realise that you would‘ve won the prize. The question is, if you hadn‘t thrown away the raffle ticket, would the results have been the same?
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