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Originally Posted by ShowStopper
since u don't know ur own fate..who's to say u haven't changed it?
fate and free will co-exist!
u are da author of ur own book...u just dont know it yet
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Originally Posted by Skruf
The author is Allah, the character you are playing is you who happen to have free will. This gives you the right to change few chapters in the book; but its up to you if its good or bad. But everything els i planned out for you.
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2 good replies in this thread from showstopper and skruf.
What i think is that we have a kind of sense of freedom because we experience things and choose whatever choices based on our own perceptions and capabilities. There certainly can be things beyond our perception and capabilities, but since we don't directly perceive them we don't have any sense of loss (of freedom). It's like the ants and their two spatial dimensions.
I can see the limits of free will in our basic instincts, in our biological configuration. But if free will is just an illusion that means that we're free only in our imagination, meaning that we perceive that we're free, but we aren't in the absolute sense. Kinda like the ants. But nevertheless we have at least the subjective conviction that we choose, and that's enough, because if our free will is subjective, everything that we perceive is subjective, including of course the thought that free will is an illusion.
Anyway, fatalism works perfect to explain everything until the present moment. There's no way things could've been different. You know you can't change what you've done and what has happened in the world until a moment ago, and you can't empirically prove it could've been different. Mainly because it wasn't. It's just the present, where freedom fits in this scheme that includes us and the surrounding reality. The present is what you are. In fact, past and future don't exist. Present is the eternity somehow lol
Ok, now down to earth again, i'd like to ask you guys a question
Imagine you were taking part in a big raffle ticket event and there was big prize like a 50 inch tv screen/new car etc. Ok, but you think it is a load of crap and throw your ticket away. At the end of the day, just curious, you look at the results and realise that you would‘ve won the prize. The question is, if you hadn‘t thrown away the raffle ticket, would the results have been the same?