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Old 08-21-2008, 07:08 PM
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WMan- I can not lie- you vex me greatly but? LOL-I shall...keep an open mind, perhaps one day you might actually grow more agreeable and leave behind with detestible he-man persona of yours- Let us pray
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:11 PM
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Lol estranged i mean him and his ilk are aloud to be manipulative but wman takes the piss. Do you see how he tried to turn xaski valid points into the ramblings of a emotional woman and now he is backpeddling and saying why does it bother you i tried to tarnish your credibility honestly what planet is he on. But then again the simpleton doesn't understand the basic reasons behind the 80 year old woman gag. I'm not here to educate stubariin. We know what i ment thats all that matters
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:19 PM
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Whoaw mayor backpeddling going on here. "i always liked you". Uff i just feel like i'm witnessed a man being castrated its painfull. Then again so where your so called arguements.
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:35 PM
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^-LOL-Hey don't be so harsh woman I have that affect on men *grins* though they hate me there is no doubt of that...secretly they all habour deeply repessed not to mention intense sexual feelings towards me. I get used to it

Also- LOL-I'm glad you observed his musings with Xaaski- he has a tendency be extremely and vexing patronizing not to mention purposefully evasive...but I wouldn't waste my energy arguing with him or any of his ilke trying to get him to see reason. He is....lets just say .. excruciatingly vexing LOL
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Old 08-21-2008, 07:37 PM
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Precious Laydd you need to relax walaal. I dont know what backpeddling you are talking about apart from the one I do with my bicycle, me and Estranged have some very deep theological, social, political and economic disagreements thats all. However its nothing personal.

Estranged you must have brainwashed this young woman into thinking bad things about me. I shall forever be cautious around you lol.

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Old 08-21-2008, 08:01 PM
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^- LOL-I have done no such thing, she obviously made up her own mind upon noting your own opinions. I don't turn people against eachother...its not my style

If you vex me? I shall say so but never would I conspire to tarnish your reputation. You do that well all on your own *smiles and skips off*
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:24 PM
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truth be told, i don't see why any of the guys here have taken issue with what xaski_cigaal said...she didn't oppose the rulings of the Qur'an and Sunnah...but rather, stated we should understand the reason why we, as men, are given such privileges (not rights) which are also at the same time responsibilities...and also to understand the Islamic wisdom behind those decisions, other than "because we're guys and we're not girls".

Yes, Muslim men are allowed to marry from the people of the book and Muslim women aren't...the reason being, the male is given the responsibilities of managing the household and is the leader of the family unit...since he is accountable for the spiritual and physical wellbeing of the family, he has rights over the family as well..in that they obey him. So, if a Muslim woman married a non-Muslim man...and she was obligated to obey him (while he's a non-believer)...where would the logic be in that?

Yes, men are allowed to marry more than one wife and up to a total of four....with strict conditions. How many of us can treat 4 women the same? Granted, we're human beings, and we have no control over our feelings so we might end up loving one more than the rest, but how many of us can make it appear that we love them all equally, and divide our time, affection, finances, etc. We seem to think that we're entitled to plural marriages, simply because Rasuulullah SAW had plural marriages...but let's look for a moment at the circumstances and the wisdom behind him having plural marriages and even being an expected to the limit of 4 wives. In jahiliya before Islam, the pagan arabs used to use "Family" as the pivotal factor of their society...in terms of justice system, social system, economic system, etc....to the point that, an action was considered "moral" or "immoral" depending on whether the person was from their tribe/lineage or not. Prophet Muhammad SAW understood this and knew the sacred ties of kindship were too entrenched in their lives, so he decided to strengthen the Islamic family association with the 4 Righteous Khalifahs and make it official family relations...which is why he married Aisha (RA), the daughter of Abu Bakr (RA) and and Hafsah (RA), the daughter of Omar (RA)....Uthman (RA) was married to the Prophet's (SAW) daughter Ruqiya (RA) and when she died, he was married to Rasuulullah's (SAW) other daughter Umm Kaltum (RA)...and Ali (RA) was married to the Prophet's (SAW) daughter Fatima (RA). Similarly, the Prophet SAW also married the daughters of his enemies....he married Al-Harith's daughter Juwayriyah (RA) and married Abu Sufyans daughter Umm Habibah (RA)...to foster peace and reconciliation....so the Prophet's (SAW) marriages served a purpose greater than his own desires....can any of us say we would marry multiply for such pious and selfless reasons?

The one thing that angers me is Muslim men who use the Diin as a way to wield power over Muslim women....a couple months ago at a Khutbah in the Masjid i attend, the Imam was talking about how he was approached by a Muslim sister who was beaten and bruised and was looking for a solution to her husbands violent ways...she didn't wanna call the police out of fear, not of him, but of Allah SWT...and she assumed she had no recourse but to absorb the punishment or else she would be causing fitnah...but the only fitnah is that the "man" is not locked up and used Islam as his justification for his own corruptness....we all want Muslim women to act the way the Qur'an describes for them to act.....yet none of us want to behave in the way the Qur'an prescribes for us...and then we're quick to label sisters as sacrilegious for questioning our misuse of the Qur'an and Sunnah...which is an injustice against the sisters, Muhammad SAW, The Qur'an, The Sunnah, Allah SWT, and most of all, our own selves.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:32 PM
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Mr. YnF, dropping knowledge I see. =]

And you're up at a good time for once. Now seexo!
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:34 PM
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Xaaski- The men in this place especially those who are always in the Islamic section often are merely there to spread utter sh*t- it’s a wonder how any woman can even stomach some of the utterly hypocritical stupidity that some try to wash as being “Islamic”

True knowledge is power and when you don’t arm yourself with the knowledge required to do battle against those imbeciles you’ll believe the first and utter piece of contemptible nonsense that you come across

Why do you think I refuse to enter any topics about women especially the ones where “Islmic” values are washed in with biased Somali egotistical and always misogynistic ideals?

I abandoned arguing a long time ago when I realized that new trash always finds a way in and people (me) get tired of constantly having to defend and reason with obvious stupidity. And trust me idiocy is easy to spot and those with an ounce of logic can see through all the bullsh*t and simply ignore it.

Such people do nothing but vex you and weaken your imaan considerably because you end up hating everyone and everything. But-then you think of Allah- and think? The Malik is merciful and can see this sh*t too so there’s no need to get really angered.
couldn't have said it any better!
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:37 PM
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Mr yungfresh are you married

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