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Old 08-30-2008, 12:29 AM
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Allah knows best on that one, if he was innocent then we hope that Allah has mercy on him and if he was guilty and serving his punishment then we hope that Allah has accepted his forgiveness.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:39 AM
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^ Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioun he was a spy - or so they say.

The guy speaking in the video doesn't even know Somali well. And why in the world was he combing his hair with the knife?
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:41 AM
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I dont know and that is why i did not even watch the video for i know i would not have gained anything from it, actually i would have became emotional and would say things without thinking.
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Old 08-30-2008, 01:16 AM
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First of all, I wanna see the video.

Second of all, it's becoming more and more evident that there is no good organizations in Somalia right now, wala TFG wala Ethios wala Al-Shabaab...wey kala daranyihiin.

Third of all, to those die hard Al-Shabaab supporters, don't let ur hatred for the Ethios drive u to throw ur full support behind anyone and everyone who opposes them

Fourthly, not every organization with an Arab sounding name is a legitemately Islamic group.

Fifthly, Ilaahay masaakiinta qolodaan Ha Ka Badbaadiyo
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Old 08-30-2008, 02:11 AM
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[b]@wiseguy, dont such a primma donna and drama queen too. Alshabaab beheaded a person, thus advo is gonna revaluate his entire Islamic Aqeedah and start listening to " sufi brothers". His gonna stay up every night, crying his eyes, for the innocents that perished? Now, that is a load of nonsense! If he only they spoke up once or cared for the innocents their beloved warlords terrorised!

p.s.. For the record, I never supported or sympathise with Alshabaabs( their leaders, not youngsters and mujahideen) manhaj, as they profess to follow Ayman Tahawiri and his ilk. Though that doesn't mean there is a legitimate struggle in Somalia!
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:02 AM
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What, you guys haven't seen this before? So nobody grew up in Xamar or what? I've seen men, my clansmen, dragged out of the masjid and shot in the streets. I've seen womens' faces mutilated with a razorblade in public, and I've seen many of my clansmens executed with a knife. What's my point? This isn't knew to many of us and to blame it on al-Shabaab is to scapegoat them for starting something new or "imitating Arab culture".

Without the proof I don't believe you; if it's true, I would like to know if he was guilty or not and more about those who collaborate with invading forces in Muslim lands.
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:24 AM
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Wow

Bro send me the link, I want to clarify some things!.

I have seen beheading videos from Iraq on Ogrish.com. But I never thought that us Somalis would stoop to this low!

I mean, at the time of the prophet they fought with swords and beheaded people quickly with one swipe of the sword, not with a bloody knife for Gods sake!!!!!

The Sahaba also only killed people who attacked them, and were a threat to their lives and the spread of Islam and its message. But if Al-Shabab are resorting to this sort of thing, then I truly fear for Somalia and our future. I mean they are killing young Somali men in the worst possible way, and this man is probably mostly likeyl a Muslim, since when was it Jihad to kill another Muslim???

Man the message of these guys is just animalistic, sad and a low day for Somalia if it is true!

Walahi its always a new and constant sad story in Somalia. Why do Somalis have to be Anarchisits? Allah does not love those who spread anarchy and hate through out the land. These animals should be beheaded themselves, so that they can see how it feels!!!!
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:07 AM
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Earlier I said:

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. . . I would like to know if he was guilty or not and more about those who collaborate with invading forces in Muslim lands.
Here's a fatwa from Islamqa.com:

Ruling on helping the kuffaar against the Muslims

Q:
Muslim businessman has been offered a golden opportunity to sell equipment and food or to sign a contract to do maintenance on vehicles and equipment for an army that is waging war against the Muslims. What is the ruling on doing such business?.

A:
Praise be to Allaah.

The scholars of Islam have stated that it is not permitted to support the kaafirs against the Muslims, and that that is kufr (disbelief) and riddah (apostasy), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them

[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

The fuqaha’ of Islam, the imams of the Hanafi, Maaliki, Shaafa’i and Hanbali madhhabs, and other fuqaha’, have stated in their books that it is haraam to sell them anything that may help them against the Muslims, such as weapons, equipment, riding beasts, etc. So it is not permissible to give them food or to sell them food, drink, water, tents, trucks, vehicles, or to make contracts with them to provide maintenance, transaportation, etc. All of that is haraam and the one who consumes profits on such transactions is consuming haraam things, and the Fire is more fitting for him.

It is not permissible to sell them even a date or to give them anything that they can use against their enemies. Whoever does that deserves Hell, and the Fire is more fitting for all evil earnings. Indeed this is one of the most evil of evil things.

It is not permissible to give them anything that may give them the slightest help against the Muslims.

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’:

With regard to selling weapons to ahl al-harb (those who wage war against the Muslims), it is haraam according to scholarly consensus.

Ibn al-Qayyim said in I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een:

Imam Ahmad said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade selling weapons at times of fitnah (tribulation)… It is obvious that selling them is helping others in sin and transgression. This also applies to every sale, rental or exchange that helps people to disobey Allaah, such as selling weapons to kaafirs, aggressors and bandits… or renting one’s house to someone who will set up a place for sin in it, or selling candles to someone who will use them to disobey Allaah, and other actions which help people to do that which Allaah hates and is angry with.

End quote.

In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (25/153) it says:

It is haraam to sell weapons to ahl al-harb (those who are waging war against Islam) or to those who are known as bandits who attack Muslims or who stir up fitnah among them. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: It is not permissible for a Muslim to take weapons or horses to the enemies of the Muslims which will strengthen them against the Muslims, or anything that will help them to acquire weapons and horses, because selling weapons to ahl al-harb strengthens them to fight the Muslims and motivates them to declare war and continue fighting.

This issue is not the matter of ordinary or minor sins, rather it is a matter that has to do with the basis of ‘aqeedah (belief) and Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allaah), and the Muslim’s support and loyalty towards the Religion of Allaah and his disavowal of the enemies of Allaah. This is what was stated by the imams in their books.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Fataawa (1/274):

The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed that whoever supports the kaafirs against the Muslims and helps them in any way is a kaafir like them as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”


[al-Maa'idah 5:51].



With that established via clear Quranic proof, what is the status of a one who aids the Ethiopian invaders? The answer is clear.

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Old 08-30-2008, 07:30 AM
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Can someone please send me the link.
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:53 AM
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. . . I would like to know if he was guilty or not and more about those who collaborate with invading forces in Muslim lands.
no he wasnt the man had wife and children, he was going to work when they got him of a bus and he was killed with another 80 people.
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